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		<title>By: petepo</title>
		<link>http://candleboy.com/2009/07/21/pdx-notable-moments-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-1590</link>
		<dc:creator>petepo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 05:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

In all honesty if I found the perfect community media center I&#039;d be there in an instant. There are centers that are getting something things right and I agree that most centers (although I&#039;ve worked at centers that don&#039;t) have the major pillars of cable access close to their hearts.

I started a blog entry that I plan on updating for the next month or so on what would exist in a perfect world: http://petepo.com/node/7

Doubt that I&#039;d ever be able to get something like this off the ground but it&#039;s good to dream...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>In all honesty if I found the perfect community media center I&#8217;d be there in an instant. There are centers that are getting something things right and I agree that most centers (although I&#8217;ve worked at centers that don&#8217;t) have the major pillars of cable access close to their hearts.</p>
<p>I started a blog entry that I plan on updating for the next month or so on what would exist in a perfect world: <a href="http://petepo.com/node/7" rel="nofollow">http://petepo.com/node/7</a></p>
<p>Doubt that I&#8217;d ever be able to get something like this off the ground but it&#8217;s good to dream&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: billsimmon</title>
		<link>http://candleboy.com/2009/07/21/pdx-notable-moments-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-1564</link>
		<dc:creator>billsimmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete! Thanks for chiming in. Good meeting you in PDX and if you make it to Vermont ever, be sure to drop me a line so I can buy you many beers. 

You wrote: &lt;i&gt;I’ve never known two people in the Community Media world to have the same idea of what a successful center is.&lt;/i&gt;

Really? Maybe you could elaborate on that. I&#039;ve been in the community media world (as a producer/staffer/board member/enthusiast) for 18+ years and I&#039;ve found that CMCs have much more in common, philosophically, than not. There are differences in policy and a diversity of where emphasis is placed, but the broad strokes are pretty much consistent in my experience -- free (&quot;content neutral&quot;) speech, non-commercial, partnerships with non-profits, media literacy emphasis and a strong educational/training piece. 

I think PEG has been slow to get ahead of the tech curve w/r/t web 2.0 and &quot;new media&quot; (when we really ought to be leaders in that space) but it depends of the specific center and I think that&#039;s changing now.

Now I really want to know what defines a successful center in your mind. I take as read all of the above plus an active and diverse user base. What else makes a center successful in your mind? Can you point to examples of centers that are getting it right?

I&#039;m shilling for a panel at SXSW next year that&#039;s about building community through media &amp; media centers so your thoughts would really be helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete! Thanks for chiming in. Good meeting you in PDX and if you make it to Vermont ever, be sure to drop me a line so I can buy you many beers. </p>
<p>You wrote: <i>I’ve never known two people in the Community Media world to have the same idea of what a successful center is.</i></p>
<p>Really? Maybe you could elaborate on that. I&#8217;ve been in the community media world (as a producer/staffer/board member/enthusiast) for 18+ years and I&#8217;ve found that CMCs have much more in common, philosophically, than not. There are differences in policy and a diversity of where emphasis is placed, but the broad strokes are pretty much consistent in my experience &#8212; free (&#8220;content neutral&#8221;) speech, non-commercial, partnerships with non-profits, media literacy emphasis and a strong educational/training piece. </p>
<p>I think PEG has been slow to get ahead of the tech curve w/r/t web 2.0 and &#8220;new media&#8221; (when we really ought to be leaders in that space) but it depends of the specific center and I think that&#8217;s changing now.</p>
<p>Now I really want to know what defines a successful center in your mind. I take as read all of the above plus an active and diverse user base. What else makes a center successful in your mind? Can you point to examples of centers that are getting it right?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m shilling for a panel at SXSW next year that&#8217;s about building community through media &#038; media centers so your thoughts would really be helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: petepo</title>
		<link>http://candleboy.com/2009/07/21/pdx-notable-moments-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-1563</link>
		<dc:creator>petepo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel all of you - your ideas of what makes a center successful are probably different than mine. Honestly I&#039;ve never known two people in the Community Media world to have the same idea of what a successful center is. One resource that I found really helpful when coming to the open source conclusions I have come to is The Cathedral and the Bazaar: http://catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/

I want centers to make informed decisions about what direction they&#039;re taking when it comes to resource allocation and to look at the return on their investments. It&#039;s nice to hear that you are making informed and targeted decisions to go with paid software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel all of you &#8211; your ideas of what makes a center successful are probably different than mine. Honestly I&#8217;ve never known two people in the Community Media world to have the same idea of what a successful center is. One resource that I found really helpful when coming to the open source conclusions I have come to is The Cathedral and the Bazaar: <a href="http://catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/" rel="nofollow">http://catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/</a></p>
<p>I want centers to make informed decisions about what direction they&#8217;re taking when it comes to resource allocation and to look at the return on their investments. It&#8217;s nice to hear that you are making informed and targeted decisions to go with paid software.</p>
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		<title>By: billsimmon</title>
		<link>http://candleboy.com/2009/07/21/pdx-notable-moments-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-1561</link>
		<dc:creator>billsimmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s funny you mention FCP and Kden. That was the part of the presentation I really disagreed with. The fact that we train on FCP is a marketing boon for us at VCAM -- we get folks through the door for that alone quite often. I went back and forth with PetePO about this the night before the panel and I remain unconvinced that Kden can replace all the benefits of FCP/Avid (for now). That said, embracing the open source philosophy in general is a positive goal for PEG to have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s funny you mention FCP and Kden. That was the part of the presentation I really disagreed with. The fact that we train on FCP is a marketing boon for us at VCAM &#8212; we get folks through the door for that alone quite often. I went back and forth with PetePO about this the night before the panel and I remain unconvinced that Kden can replace all the benefits of FCP/Avid (for now). That said, embracing the open source philosophy in general is a positive goal for PEG to have.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 15:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for commenting on my comment. I have been digging around quite a bit and am looking forward to learning more and writing up what I learn. We have to remember that there will be a &quot;middle&quot; period. A functioning access center will never abandon FCP for Kden overnight. I mentioned going open source to my IT guy (25yrs old) and you&#039;d have thought I struck him in the face with a live salmon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for commenting on my comment. I have been digging around quite a bit and am looking forward to learning more and writing up what I learn. We have to remember that there will be a &#8220;middle&#8221; period. A functioning access center will never abandon FCP for Kden overnight. I mentioned going open source to my IT guy (25yrs old) and you&#8217;d have thought I struck him in the face with a live salmon.</p>
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		<title>By: billsimmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>billsimmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith,

Thanks for commenting!

While it was Saturday&#039;s panel I was referring to, I had this feeling throughout the whole conference -- and my describing it as old vs. new was admittedly simplistic. I don&#039;t mean to pigeon hole anyone -- I know we&#039;re all on the same side. :)

And to be fair, the questions coming at DOM folks from the &quot;old guard&quot; at the session on Saturday were perfectly fine questions -- much of the tension I sensed resulted from the reactions to those questions from the open source evangelists, which were sometimes impolitic (one poor questioner had his question actually mocked).

I think if someone sits down and spends some hours creating some marketing materials for the Open Media Project, a lot of the concern and frustration will ebb away. Like anything new, comfort will come with use and familiarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith,</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting!</p>
<p>While it was Saturday&#8217;s panel I was referring to, I had this feeling throughout the whole conference &#8212; and my describing it as old vs. new was admittedly simplistic. I don&#8217;t mean to pigeon hole anyone &#8212; I know we&#8217;re all on the same side. <img src='http://candleboy.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And to be fair, the questions coming at DOM folks from the &#8220;old guard&#8221; at the session on Saturday were perfectly fine questions &#8212; much of the tension I sensed resulted from the reactions to those questions from the open source evangelists, which were sometimes impolitic (one poor questioner had his question actually mocked).</p>
<p>I think if someone sits down and spends some hours creating some marketing materials for the Open Media Project, a lot of the concern and frustration will ebb away. Like anything new, comfort will come with use and familiarity.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since is was me that exploded the thing on Saturday morning I may as well chime in as the &quot;don&#039;t quite get it&quot; old guard. Which is exactly wrong. You guys are manifesting the dream of the old guard using new technology. We ain&#039;t scared of the change, what we are wrestling with is the fact that there is no turn-key here and Media Centers are dropping off like freaking flies. We are running out of time and resources while pulling our heads out of the asses of old models. We all want this to happen and we are all on the same side...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since is was me that exploded the thing on Saturday morning I may as well chime in as the &#8220;don&#8217;t quite get it&#8221; old guard. Which is exactly wrong. You guys are manifesting the dream of the old guard using new technology. We ain&#8217;t scared of the change, what we are wrestling with is the fact that there is no turn-key here and Media Centers are dropping off like freaking flies. We are running out of time and resources while pulling our heads out of the asses of old models. We all want this to happen and we are all on the same side&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So was it you or Spine who said &quot;Moon, O Moon / So bright and bug quickly&quot; first?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So was it you or Spine who said &#8220;Moon, O Moon / So bright and bug quickly&#8221; first?</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://candleboy.com/2009/07/21/pdx-notable-moments-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-1545</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 23:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the review of the ACM conference, Bill!  I wish I was there, so it was great to read what you had to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the review of the ACM conference, Bill!  I wish I was there, so it was great to read what you had to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Spine</title>
		<link>http://candleboy.com/2009/07/21/pdx-notable-moments-so-far/comment-page-1/#comment-1544</link>
		<dc:creator>Spine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I realized how eventful the last few days have been until I saw them in bulleted lists!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I realized how eventful the last few days have been until I saw them in bulleted lists!</p>
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